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| davidb | Posted: 29.11.2004, 11:50 | |
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Arrgh arrgh church. Having to deal with a worrisome one at the moment. A chap's been invited to speak at our church - last time he came, he upset several people, most of whom have left the church. It's a matter of debate as to what he actually said, but he was understood to say that if you're not healed it's due to lack of faith, or sin, or a generational curse etc. The people who invited him really can't see the problem, and see any offence taken as people not being forgiving towards him. Why is there no instinct to defend the weak and broken? Please pray for me, that I'll know what to input about this - I'm discussing it with key players tonight. |
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| andy | Posted: 30.11.2004, 00:23 | |
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Why are people so dogmatic in the face of reality? I'm fuming for you davidb. You're very brave to confront it at all. Good luck. |
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| davidb | Posted: 30.11.2004, 14:59 | |
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Thanks. It didn't go too badly. Not sure there will be any obvious outcome (eg I don't think he'll apologise for last time) but at least everyone's now aware and sympathetic that there's an issue, rather than dismissive. |
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| Midge | Posted: 30.11.2004, 17:30 | |
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I was going to say, I can't think of anyone better to try and get people on either side to understand what the issues are than you. |
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| darkly | Posted: 05.12.2004, 18:21 | |
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I'd agree with midge - You are a very good mediator. |
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| davidb | Posted: 06.12.2004, 13:44 | |
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The visiting speaker was OK. Some of what he said was very helpful, about Psalm 23 - we often have "soul fatigue", and need to draw close to God as our shepherd. At the evening meeting, though, he was making it sound like if you fear God, you'll have a happy wife, lots of kids, and live to an old age - now, the Bible says these sort of things, but it qualifies itself. In a given Psalm, it says these things, but if you take the Psalms as a whole, it shows that sometimes bad things happen to good people. I feel as though our speaker wasn't (a) pastorally aware and (b) interpreting a few lines of the Psalms at the expense of their overall balance. |
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| Midge | Posted: 06.12.2004, 18:42 | |
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If you fear God ... yes, and they might all get killed by freak accidents like Job's family. |
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| andy | Posted: 09.12.2004, 13:37 | |
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How many times do I see Job being ignored? It is so important. |
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| jrc | Posted: 10.12.2004, 10:32 | |
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Yup, Job certainly is. Just completed my Biblical Studies essay of Job, the essay was about how the book shows what God is like. I always liked Job, but doing the essay made me really study it. I think we all need to rest in God's grace a bit more, and accept his mercy. He has already forgiven the sins we're going to commit later on today, tomorrow and next week. |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 23.02.2005, 17:02 | |
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I think the whole sunday morning order of worship is boring. I also don't like dressing up, sitting in a pew, and watching the whole show while sitting there passively. the only thing we do is sing along with prescribed songs. stand up, sit down, and we hardly know anyone else in teh congregtation. what really liberated me was Frank Viola's book PAGAN CHRISTIANITY: THE ORIGINS OF OUR MODERN CHURCH PRACTICES. in that book he documents where everything we do for church today comes from. it was a real eye opener for me and confirmed how i've felt for many years. his book is on sale right now along with his other series of emerging church books. you can find them at www.ptmin.org/emerging.htm i don't know how long they are on sale, but i recommend them to everyone. Jeanette M. |
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| andy | Posted: 23.02.2005, 17:35 | |
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Jeanette, do you work for the company selling them? | |
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| darkly | Posted: 24.02.2005, 20:29 | |
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Is it an auto generated msg made to look like a post? I'm not sure but I'll tell you what: It has SPAM written all over it. |
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| darkly | Posted: 24.02.2005, 20:36 | |
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[URL=http://www.crosssearch.com/Churches_and_Denominations/Churches/Cell_Churches/90537.php]"Present Testimony Ministry is dedicated to the restoration of the pristine simplicity of first-century Christianity. Our goal is to recover the centrality of Jesus Christ, the first-century Christian mindset, and the practice of the early church. " [/URL] By selling over priced books to the masses? |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 24.02.2005, 23:48 | |
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Hi. My name is Jeanette. I'm a sister in Christ. I don't understand the reaction to my post. I just thought people would be interested in these emerging church books given they have helped me and the emphasis of this board. I think I may have misunderstand this board. God bless, JM |
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| andy | Posted: 25.02.2005, 08:04 | |
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Hi Jeanette, and welcome to GE. I'm afraid we reacted a bit strangely to your post because you've inadvertantly broken a bit of ettiquette by sounding like spam! I hope we haven't offended you. What kind of church do you think would be more welcoming for you personally? |
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| Midge | Posted: 26.02.2005, 17:31 | |
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(After all, this site was spammed daily for a couple of weeks recently.) | |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 06.03.2006, 11:32 | |
| Unregistered User | Do Protestant churches have an inbuilt instinct to self-destruct, do you think? Even at a really good missions evening last night, I heard disturbing news of people wanting to call a church meeting that might split the church. | |
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| Midge | Posted: 12.03.2006, 14:42 | |
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Isn't it just a fact of life that in any group of people, there are some who by nature will always want to disagree or make big issues out of apparently ridiculous things? Someone in my old church used to throw out comments like "Candles? But didn't they only come in with the Oxford Movement?" | |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 13.03.2006, 13:15 | |
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> Isn't it just a fact of life that in any group of people, there are some who by nature will always want to disagree or make big issues out of apparently ridiculous things? Yes, but isn't it tragic that the image of Christ is not clearly shown in so many Christians? Shouldn't love and unity be one of the first things God transforms about us? |
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| Midge | Posted: 13.03.2006, 18:34 | |
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Yes, it's tragic but true that some people seem so resistant to change. What about your particular situation - do you think those people are unloving and ungodly, or just misguided in their zeal? | |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 14.03.2006, 13:51 | |
| Unregistered User | Misguided. But so is the non-rebellious side of our church. However, surely it's worth us all trying to stick together and argue out our problems, rather than splitting. | |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 14.03.2006, 13:52 | |
| Unregistered User | (Actually, also unloving and ungodly, if your definition of love includes trying to stick with people, and if your definition of godly includes a commitment to unity). | |
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| Midge | Posted: 14.03.2006, 16:08 | |
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So they actually explicitly thought of splitting? I thought you just meant it was a possible side-effect of the disagreement. You'd have thought people would have had enough of splitting by now. | |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 15.03.2006, 11:47 | |
| Unregistered User | Indeed. In fact, it looks like "a few people leaving" will be more accurate that "splitting". But I still feel gutted by it. | |
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| Anonymous | Posted: 16.03.2006, 15:09 | |
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I think there are times to stay and try to discuss and change things from within, and times to split. AML |
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