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Christianity the pressure group
Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 09:27 AM

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All TopicsWe should all ban the "Jerry Springer - the Opera" because it is blasphemous.

We should ban gay marriage.

We should ban abortion.

We should all think the same things.

Everyone in the country should bend to our will.

I thought we were supposed to be building relationship with our loving personal father God, but it appears that we are actually a censorship pressure group.

The problem is I don't agree with everything you think is right. For example, I think the media should be largely free to show what it wants, and I feel my opinion comes out of my Christian faith, just as much as you feel that a belief in censorship does. Who is right? I don't know, but please don't make me and people like me feel like outsiders just because we disagree with you. There are lots of us, but we don't shout so loud.

We don't live in a Christian society - there aren't any Christian societies any more. So we have to re-evaluate how we approach things: we can't over-rule the majority with these opinions just because God told us it was so. We need to persuade, not rule, and the most important thing we need to persuade people of is the fact that God exists and is worth listening to, not the specifics of what we think he says about these issues of personal morality and censorship. Just as Muslims or others living in former Christian countries have to accept the society in which they find themselves, so do we.

When I get these emails written as if the author's point of view were so obviously correct (even though often the author hasn't seen e.g. Jerry Springer - the Opera) I think of Amos 5:21-24:

I hate, I despise your religious feasts;
I cannot stand your assemblies.
Even though you bring me burnt offerings and grain offerings,
I will not accept them.
Though you bring choice fellowship offerings,
I will have no regard for them.
Away with the noise of your songs!
I will not listen to the music of your harps.
But let justice roll on like a river,
righteousness like a never-failing stream!

This is pointless, showy stuff, and there is so much we could be making a noise about that is really important: why are the governing rules of trade between rich and poor countries so unfair? Why do we step in to "humanitarian crises" in Europe but not Africa? Why are we wasting our time on "personal morality" issues when we could be spending it on situations that are just plain wrong? I think personal morality is for personal people, but injustice is a collective sin, and that is what, if we must be a pressure group, we should be pressuring about.

Anyway my main point is should we be a pressure group at all?

Apologies if you sent me one of these forwarded emails - this is a rant, and not one aimed at you.

Really, we should ban email, and then I'd get less annoyed generally.

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Re: Christianity the pressure group (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Jan 18, 2005 - 10:59 AM
Did you hear a Radio Three Producer, who has now resigned from the BBC because od his Christian faith finding the recent decision on the Jerry Springer show unacceptable, say the following on Radio 4:

"Picture the person that you love the most. Look at them and think about what they mean to you.

Now would you let that person be ridiculed?

In the same way I do not want that to happen to Jesus".

I agree with free speech. But I also believe we should respond to something that humiliates Christ...or is His portrayal not that important to you? As someone who pays for the BBC I feel I have a right to say what I think they should and should not show.

  • Re: Christianity the pressure group by andy on Jan 18, 2005 - 02:58 PM
  • Re: Christianity the pressure group by andy on Jan 18, 2005 - 05:39 PM
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    by Anonymous on Jan 18, 2005 - 03:57 PM
    This is m and I've got very confused by trying to follow the comments made to this article so I'm sorry if I repeat anything and also I'm unlikely to be able to find it if anyone responds to this...!

    I did recently forward an email about the Jerry Springer thing - and it's not something I often do. Also, I've never before expressed any concern to tv companies about the content of programmes shown. This time, I did email - I hadn't seen the show but I had no way to see it before it was due to be on tv (and also I'm not quite sure that I think you should have to see something in order to be concerned about its content) but the reason I DID do it this time was that I know people of other religions would be up in arms about it if their religion was represented in a bad light. [My husband watched an interview with someone at the BBC who did say that there's no way they would have shown a show like that if it featured Islam because of the reaction it would get.]

    I don't actually really agree with censorship - I think someone being allowed to stop us seeing/knowing about things is a dangerous road to go down, and I believe we have freedom in Christ. All things are permissable but not all are beneficial or something like that...

    But sometimes it's hard to get the balance because it's also important to stand up for what we believe in. In one of the schools I work in, they bend over backwards to accomodate the needs of (and not offend) the Muslim kids but don't seem to feel that Christianity needs to be acknowledged and God can't be talked about and more places seem to be going in this direction.

    Re: Christianity the pressure group (Score: 1)
    by Wave (-)
    on Jan 18, 2005 - 10:08 PM
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    I do agree with what you are saying generally speaking.

    My thought on this is Daniel.

    Daniel was a Jew in a non-Jewish country and went along with stuff but every now and again he made a stand. He made a stand against worshipping another and not God. He also made a stand about eating veg not meat for a bit.

    What I'm trying to get at is he decided when he was going to make a stand and did it with things he felt appropriate for reasons we can try and figure out.

    I guess God wants us all to make a stand for him at certain points in our lives. What the reasons are I doubt will be the same but the point is we make a stand and let it be known to those around us. This I believe shows a healthy faith.

    As for TV I have found that life without TV is no bad thing and so I don't watch it much. I have not had difficulty in filling up my life with other (less offending) stuff.

    Re: Christianity the pressure group (Score: 1)
    by davidb (-)
    on Jan 19, 2005 - 11:54 AM
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    I'm very pro free speech, so I had no intention of complaining to the BBC about Jerry Springer. However, in the end, I surprisingly did, but with a different take. This was because I got irritated when I noticed the following binding agreement between the BBC and and the Secretary of State for National Heritage:

    Looking at 5.1 (d) and (e), I can't see any way that the BBC are keeping to their agreement, so I've asked them to explain how they're interpreting this. They've yet to answer satisfactorily - they just send me waffle about free speech, which I've already told them I believe in. Here's how I end one of my emails to them:

    "What this teaches me is this: there is a vast difference between being in favour of free speech (which I am, and clearly you are) and behaving according to patterns which you have bound yourself to (which as far as I can see, you are not). I'm not impressed with a corporation that bends its own rules when it feels like it."

    Re: Christianity the pressure group (Score: 1)
    by Midge (-)
    on Jan 19, 2005 - 08:23 PM
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    To be fair though, Christians aren't the only ones to speak as if any right-thinking person will align with them. The most obvious example I've experienced is student protests about tuition fees etc., where the implication is that you're a traitor if you have any doubts about the leaders' point of view, or even question whether it's worth discussing the issues, as if the right position wasn't obvious.

    Whether or not I agree with the Christian protesters, it's good to see that some people are as moved to action and concerned about insults to Jesus as others are about experiments on animals or nuclear weapons or social justice. And Christians do campaign on other issues too - you can't just criticise them for protesting about this when they should be protesting about other things, as if they don't. Maybe there should be more campaigning on social justice and less on Jerry Springer etc., but maybe the media should show more of what Christians are doing in these other areas too...

    Re: Christianity the pressure group (Score: 1)
    by Alice (-)
    on Jan 23, 2005 - 03:44 PM
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    You missed 'We should ban SpongeBob'

    although I suppose that was just in the US.

    Talking of e-mails, do you ever get those Christian e-mails saying 'Isn't funny the way we don't believe the Bible, yet believe newspapers' or something like that, amongst other things. Their aim seems to be to scaremonger people into forwarding the e-mail to show what a 'real Christian' they are. They're very silly.

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